[quote="Sybarite"]

Sir Chris wrote:

Sybarite wrote: Okay. Go and survey the employers in question and find out why they have employed those people. Off you go. Are you telling me that you don't know the answer, or have you already done a survey?

My last question was rhetorical. I already know the answers.

You told me to 'Go and survey the employers in question and find out why they have employed those people'. I don't need to, I know why, it's common knowledge.

If you don't think that common knowledge is a good enough method to base my judgements on, then what do you base you reasoning on...........have you taken your own advise and survey the employers, I think not.

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Look into such questions as skill levels, pay levels, numbers of qualified applicants for jobs etc.

*It is common knowledge that skill levels are no different from ours.
*It is common knowledge that eastern European workers will work for less.
*It is common knowledge that employers have been employing European workers rather than British workers regardless of numbers of qualified applicants for jobs, because they are deemed to be harder workers, what ever that means.

Sybarite wrote:

We have discussed this at length previously. Either your memory is failing dismally –

I remember. But you must not assume that just because we have discussed it that I have agreed with your findings.

@chris: usually, the numbers of immigrants and the numbers of unemployed have nothing to do with each other. every single study I've ever read proved that. countries like Germany with very rich and very poor states provide a nice example. the states where the unemployment is highest are the states with the least immigrants (and the highest levels of xenophobia, too).

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sez that immigrants are hit hardest by the crisis because generally they work in jobs for untrained workers, are laid off first, and are often returning to their home countries now. it also says that there is a rise in xenophobia in GB, violence, especially against Poles.



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In sum, immigration per se is not a problem for natives’ unemployment.

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I see the child is back to announcing what "the British" per se think and believe and "are against". What an arrogant little individual.

It's pointless arguing with him – he's not remotely interested in anything that doesn't conform with his pre-conceived prejudices.

It's time certain folk take their heads out of the sand and have a look at the real Britain.

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Lol to this thread

I've been looking over the entitlements in the uk and saddened at the idea of the supposed welfare state being so paltry from social welfare to that of pensions. I think there needs to be a proactive social welfare programme to retrain and push people to get work but also a welfare system that is liveable for people considering the ever increasing rates of unemployment across europe,granted not in a lavish lifestyle but retain dignity. It would obviously need to be heavily supervised so as to catch cheats.

In Ireland though the social welfare is well over three times what you get in britain and add in rent allowance etc etc. The overall idea that britain is an attractive place for immigrants due to benefits is simply incorrect,the last figure i could find placed the uk second from bottom of list of developed european countries (ireland was third from bottom)

It is the daily mail though i don't expect much given their history of sensationalism and scaremongering. As far as illegal immigration is concerned it should be stopped at all costs but if they're legally allowed then tough! support parties that will attempt to amend legaslation or wish a withdrawl from the eu,britain confuses me no end,people act as if they've had no choice and it was all forced on them. In Ireland nearing 12 percent unemployed and allot of other eu nationals but i've yet to encounter the anti polish sentiment (don't worry we're pricks in other ways!)

God this is just a moan fest but i will say! that the current setup of the eu where by if you've left your country for more than 3 years on the go you get zelch welfare when you return really needs to be looked at,i know at least a dozen eastern europeans who want to return home but financially it's not viable.

half a ramble i know i'm tired